You know, this line of thinking seems to be common amongst men. I keep seeing iterations of the same thought process.

I confess, I don’t get it. They’re being monumentally stupid. Or, maybe they’re just repeating a bunch of bunk from MRA groups and haven’t critically thought about how blisteringly stupid it is. A man’s choice, time to be heard, and time to decide about reproduction happens BEFORE the pregnancy. By wearing a condom. By getting a vas deferens snippy snippy. By talking about it BEFORE intimacy. By planning for the eventuality.

Exactly how are they being excluded? Do they not realize this argument is an epic fail and just makes them seem petulant and whiny?

How few times has your male partner taken the initiative to discuss the ramifications of intimacy, especially beforehand? We all know they’ve got plenty to say about the play. How many times have you had to beg, plead, and cajole your male partner into wearing a condom vs how often does your male partner push for you to take full responsibility for birth control because it feels better for him bare back? How many times has your male partner fled any discussion of a vasectomy whilst grasping his crotch like they’re the crown jewels instead of cheap imitation type family jewels? How uncommon is it for a man to plan for fatherhood financially, emotionally, and practically BEFORE getting "waylaid" by an unplanned pregnancy like they don’t know where babies come from?

I have not known that many men who did not act like pregnancy was something underhanded that was done to them when it was unplanned. They act like they’ve been wrong footed, often deliberately, and are resentful. Even as they love their children and love being a dad, they resent the mother for trapping them with a child they did not want. I’ve seen this dynamic time and time again.

None of them ever wore a condom. They often joked about it. And these are exactly the type of men who will then get up on the internet and whine about gowntheyre being excluded.

They’re NOT being excluded. They’re excluding themselves by not stepping up to take responsibility for their half of the reproductive process.

You men have choice and say over your own body. If you fail to exercise that choice and say, you don’t get a do over using someone else’s body. That is their domain, not yours.

I said what I said.