No, I'm not saying it's the cause, I'm saying it's the greatest means and the first, most obvious means of redress to turn the tide.

I'm also saying that the failures to get sensible gun legislation the years are proof that the very same group that is making accusations against women and feminists about mocking men's suicides are the same group blocking attempts at help and that same group is composed primarily of the same demographic that is most committing suicide here in the US.

Of course women and feminists are responding, "you poor dears". Of course.

But we're not making fun or clapping back on the suicides. It's our husbands and sons and and fathers and grandfathers dying, after all. You think any woman is happy about that? The hell? It's the political sniping on the issue that is being made fun of. And for good reason. All that snipiny is feeding the group most responsible for the poor mental condition men are finding themselves in.

"Women are victim shaming suicidal men" is another version of Rich Men North of Richmond. That second verse that politically snipes at black women via Reagan era racist dog whistle.

Look at who all the aggrieved little thundercunts are who lined up to ring that bell are. Then look at who most benefits from welfare and what they look like. And finally, do a compate and contrast on who set up welfare in this country, why, and what things looked like for the most benefitted group and overall and then take a long hard look at who demolished it, who was most affected by that demolishing (white middle class), and how things are overall now for that group. Answer. Amongst other things, they're increasingly suicidal.

You cannot help those whonare so belligerent that they will choose to snipe and attack someone else TO THEIR OWN DETRIMENT rather than help themselves because someonenelse might also be helped. We have witnessed this bahavior from American conservatives, the voicing of which is coming from American men part of the Reagan era strong man cult of Masculinity, again and again and again.

That culture has to cgange before anything else can. Men here will continue offing themselves until it does and there is nothing anyone else can do.