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2 min readFeb 12, 2023

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"I don't think it's fair or even accurate to say that men as a group don't want to change how they see themselves. My guess would be that most men have not even considered how they see themselves in the first place."

If they've never thought about how they see themselves ... how is untrue that they don't want to change how they see themselves? Why would they want to change what they've never considered?

In order to want to change one would have to observe and think about how they see themselves, how they interact and affect others with that interaction, find it lacking or incomlete, think about where they'd rather be instead, and start to work out how to get from here to there. It's the same process as with any other kind of goal.

Straw man, you say? Uh huh.

Your statement up there is a prime example of why women cannot do this work for men and shouldn't even try.

If the majority of men, as you claim, have never even though about how they see themselves in the first place, then by definition any "help" would not be WITH them but rather, something done TO them that they have never thought about needing in the first place and certainly have not signalled that they want. And that would be wrong. It would be oppressive because you'd be forcing one group to kowtow to how you think they should do and be to satisfy yourself when it's not how they want to do and be or how they think of themselves. It would be thinking your ideas and way of being is superior to them.

You've argued yourself into a circle here.

Because, of course men have thought about it. Otherwise the internet would not be blowing up with all the things they're thinking and saying about it. Energy is going into a particular direction and it's not working with women. It's blaming women. Sitting on the fence is a choice too.

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