Gareth, you have consistently and persistently said that if women gave the average nice guy a fair shot and love them then they would have confidence and self esteem and that wouls then be reflected back at women. You've said this a variety of ways, but it's all the same idea. Women may not owe men sex, love, and affection but being gatekeepers of it against more deserving men in favor of narcissists and sociopaths who have undeserved confidence is both what's driving the high suicide rate in men and explains the victimization of women.
That's what you've been saying. You can hide it behind all this other stuff all day long but THIS is what you keep coming back to. Time and time again.
Before no fault divorce, all men had women being "nice" to them because women were barred from being independent by all the legal ways. And it was like that for over 5K years. I'll ask again...if any kind of mirroring of niceness was a natural fallout of women being nice to men, don't you think we would have seen it before now? You men have had 5000+ years to figure out how to be nice to us in return. How much of an extension do you think men need? What kind of timeframe are we talking about here? Another 5K+ years? How much more investment in men before we women start to see a return on respect, decency, fair play, love, etc....all the things you get from us?
How many more women's lives have to be cut short or suppressed? How many more hopes and dreams of young girls have to be set aside, never to be fulfilled so that some guy can mooch some self esteem--enough not to kill himself and have a purpose?
Because that's what your belief boils down to. The sacrifice of girls and women to prop up emotionally turbulent men in the vain and, after 5K years, laughable hope that all that grace, compassion, empathy, and care will be returned to us. Eventually. Somehow.
Sorry. That carrot fossilized at least a millenia ago. Your breatheren have made their desires and preferences known too. Things will play out by majority rule, and then the corresponding response. They always do.
