Fair enough except that when you’re expecting someone else to make the sacrifice, in this case predominantly women, it’s never noble. By it’s very nature it’s selfish.

Further, since he specifically referenced articles he’d read, it’s clear he is definitely talking about the “selfishness” of childless by choice women because it is women writing these articles as push back against the pressure they get from society to have children they don’t want. There are very very few articles like that written by men because childless men don’t get pressured in the way that women do. In fact, I’ve never read or even seen one.

But sure, if you can just ignore that blindingly obvious deduction or just want to be super extra special charitable to a fellow bro, then you’re right. There’s no point in discussion.

You boys go on now. You tried your best. Women don’t care if you think we’re selfish and we’re still not having your babies for you regardless of how terrified you are of population collapse.

Until this society gets it’s shit together and can ensure that these children you insist we have to have for civilization will have some kind of civilization worth living in besides surviving catastrophe after catastrophe or being cannon fodder for resource wars, that’s not likely to change as in the end, it’s a woman’s sacrifice to make. Men still don’t have babies.

If you can’t have that discussion, your precious civilization deserves to collapse from women opting out.