And you don't find all that funny? I found it fucking hilarilous. I give them 5 years max. Dude's still very much a trainwreck and she has her own company now. Once that 2nd baby comes all that man drama and constant need for attention to even halfway function as an adult is going to stop being cute SO fast.

It probably already is. But I think she'll try to gut it out because the "children need a father". Plus, she's been established by the author as the not really independent Independent typ, you know? Also funny. Very very funny, of you actually are the Independent type.

It also made me very very heart breaking my sad for Stephanie Meyer. She put her heart and soul and a lot of the Mormon belief system about love and relationships into Twilight and 50 Shades made an absolute mockery of it in all the worst ways.

I meant male fantasy of what women should be, not male fantasy of being a submissive. Like being the manic pixie dream girl for gamer Bois. Ana is a living, breathing, Stepford blow up doll who becomes a 'real' girl. More a Pinocchio fantasy than a Cinderella one, to me.

All the erotic stuff was so off and lamely written as to be incidental. It's not titillating at all. You could edit every bit of that out and it not make a difference at all. So the BDSM is not what's driving the story.

I think we were all reading it out of curiosity, because everyone else was, it was billed as a more adult version of Twilight (which we all loved), and as you said, to see how it played out. It did have that hook working for it.

I didn't know enough about BDSM to understand why it wasn't landing right for me, other than it seemed a very boring way to about having sex to me, until all the folks into kink started weighing in. Most of what they said made sense.

Hardly anybody I knew who read it was buzzing about the sex. The media was. Seemed to me like the media hype put the focus on the sex and made that be THE discussion.

Then, I wasn't middle aged when I read it. A think a lot of middle aged women are very bored sexually and, especially if they're still married, erotica is the ONLY place they get any kind of sexual fulfillment or gratification. In that light, you can again see the appralnof 50 Shades. Ana followed the (womanhood) rules and it worked out for her.

It doesn't for most. The appeal is the regret most women wish they didn't have for the choices they made as young women. But they still believe deeply the archetype. They can't let it go any more than many men can.