Ah. Okay, I gotcha.

Theres some overlap or claim of being MGTOW, when really, the guy is an Incel.

But, if you keep to the ideology of MGTOW, thrn I agree with you. It's more in line with WGTOW.

I do disagree with you that it's always due to having been burned. For both.

I thi k a lot of people find they truly only wanted thise things because they thought they were supposed to, it was promoted in theie youth as the ONLY way to have a happy life, or they felt societally obligated. Ultimately they found that romantic relationships didn't satisfy them or give them that promised happiness.

I know a fair number of men and women who have GTOW for whom it cannot be fairly said that they got burned. Thi gs just naturally fizzled out. And they found they didn't have the desire to try again.

I know of more who did get burned, but found they were inyensely grateful for having been burned because it rattled thrm out of a sort of complacency and drifting through life trying to make everyone else happy and never thibking about what they truly want, what makes them truly happy.

I have a lot of respect for the GTOWers. I'm one myself.

To me, 4b is not like that beccause it is a political statement. It's an addault on economic participation of women in the system that continually hamstrings them.

I disagree with one of those b's though. I think there's a better answer.